Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] RE: "OUR" COUNTRY, MY ASS!!!! Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 14:39:12 -0400 To: From: Bob Armstrong On Sun, 9 May 2004 02:58:32 -0400, G Triest wrote: >=A0Owning this nation/country is just as much a fiction as "owning= one's >=A0own private property" is a fiction. Exactly the same. >=A0You don't "own" a piece of land, even if you 'paid' for it, in= any more >=A0real sense than "we" own our country/nation. You have a= collectively >=A0understood right to use that land, because everyone around you= respects >=A0your exclusive control of it. You own land in a far less real= way than >=A0say owning car or chair (something you can at least take with= you). It >=A0is a section of geography that you have staked out for your own= use, and >=A0declare that no one else can (w/o your permission), and will= protect >=A0with force if necessary; that is exactly what the people of the= US say >=A0about our nation/country. > >=A0Further, you dismissed too cavelierly the fact that this= land/country >=A0WAS stolen from the American Indians. This states a foundational conundrum in libertarian -= "non-initiation of agression" philosophy . All geographical monopolies , ie ,= states , are defined by historic collective force . And one of the most= basic activities of that collective is the defining of real estate= property boundaries and rights . Only within those frameworks can market transactions be defined= . --=A0 =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Computing Environment : =A0http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ Libertarian Presidential Candidates =A0:= http://CoSy.com/Liberty.htm