Subject: RE: [drugwar](OT) the situation in Iraq etc and blah blah blah and so forth and soon Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:53:50 -0400 To: From: Bob Armstrong I'm battling these same points all the time particularly on the http://nycjunto.com group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nycjunto-discuss/ . Junto is supposed to be libertarian , but the Iraq insanity has shown many of them to be conservative zionist Bush-wackos . Most recently I incited a thread " Can Monotheists modernize ?" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nycjunto-discuss/message/1420 prompted by my finding "find the topic of next month's Junto meeting 'Can Muslims Modernize' arrogant and biased " . I keep pointing to the conclusion of my http://cosy.com/Liberty/FirstClause.htm that " because of our failure [ at the breakup of the British Empire= at the end of WW2 ] to heed the libertarian brilliance of the First Clause of the First Amendment of our US Bill of Rights : ' Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of= religion ' we are showing ourselves to the world as the most hypocritical dangerous evil empire ever . " and "with respect to how these 21st century religious wars are tearing each of the religions apart into the= modernists versus the fundamentalists , I just happened onto http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org which is trying to get Caterpillar to stop selling to Israel because , as described= in the Salon article http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/05/13/bulldozers/ ' Israel routinely uses Caterpillar equipment to demolish the= homes of suicide bombers and wanted suspects in terrorist attacks. According to= the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, the IDF has demolished more than= 550 Palestinian homes since October of 2001 as part of this campaign. ' " On Thu, 13 May 2004 14:09:48 -0500, Halphen, Tammera wrote: >=A0I've heard them too and on both sides it seems that some people= just >=A0can't seem to understand that the words "Jew", and "Zionist"= are not >=A0interchangeable, not all Jews support the state of Israel >=A0(http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/) =A0and not all people who= are again >=A0the state of Israel are anti-Semitic (or anti-Jewish). =A0There= are people >=A0who are Zionists who are not Jews (John Ashcroft, et. al.) and= there are >=A0Jews that are not Zionists (Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn et al). > ... How did the word anti-Semitic come to mean=A0anti-Jewish? .... > There are many that see the state of Israel as very similar >=A0to South Africa a number of years ago. --=A0 =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Computing Environment : =A0http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ A WTC vision : http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ Libertarian Presidential Candidates =A0:= http://CoSy.com/Liberty.htm =A0=A0=A0For Senator from NY : http://www.silbergerforsenator.org/=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02004/05/14 2:16:37 PM