Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] George Jr Bush makes US Rogue Nation Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:05:47 -0500 To: From: Bob Armstrong On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:28:59 -0500, Werner Hetzner wrote: >=A0On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote: >=A0>>=A0=A0Bob Armstrong wrote: >=A0>=A0The argument was always that free democracies did not **= START ** > > wars of=A0aggression because , with the individual being= supreme , > > there was no gain for the State . >=A0Sorry, I can't accept this notion. What does war have to do= with >=A0democracy? I stated the association in my assertion - which is far from= original with me , and in fact is implied in the Libertarian principle . > If Muslim fundamentalists want to=A0kill us then what are we to= do? > On 9/11 3000 people lost the meaning of=A0democracy and they did= not > vote on it. What does this have to do with Saddam and Iraq ? Or for that matter WMD ? The Wahabi's used pocket knives . >=A0It can easily be thousands more. And most of us , by which I mean the 6 billion of us , believe Bush's actions are likely to fuel that hatred just like the 150 or so Palestinians killed over the last couple of months in the occupied territories without Palestinian attacks fueled the latest bus bombing in Israel . > The President is not=A0the only one with a monumental vendetta. > I share it, and I'm not alone. You have a vendetta against Hussein ? Why ? >=A0What good is a President who does nothing in the face of= danger? First , he proves there IS a danger . That is why the initial resolution to disarm Saddam passed unanimously . But , while= Iraq is being scoured , with more and more certainty that it poses= no danger , the fact that it is sheerly a vendetta , perhaps with= the prospect of owning a country over there to as a fortress over= there to totally dominate the region , becomes the only possible motivation . > What=A0is the point of having a military if the military is= useless? The military as global police has use ; to dominate the globe= with a tyrannical disregard for the world's opinion is= totalitarianism . > What good=A0is liberty when your dead? Say that to the collateral damage from the 3000 bombs scheduled= for the first 24 hours . >=A0Consider the possibility that Iraq is not a benign entity. Consider the very high probability that it is toothless . Consider the possibility that your next door neighbor is not a= benign entity . > It must=A0require a peculiar thought process to think Saddam is= nothing > to worry=A0about. NO ONE THAT I HAVE HEARD OR SEEN IN THE UN HAS EVER ASSERTED= THAT ! > I find it particularly galling that so many people who >=A0demonstrate against a war with Iraq, which has a significant= martial >=A0record, were silent during our war with the Serbs, who did not= invade >=A0anyone. Irrelevant , but also not true . One aspect common to Serbia ,= Iraq Israel and US is that all are or were major arms manufacturers= . If you make , you itch to use it . >=A0It also seems just a little mystifying to couch this conflict= as if it >=A0were a traditional war which we judge with traditional rules.= That is >=A0what the French did with their Maginot Line. If the French had= a >=A0democracy before the Maginot Line it was gone after a= non-traditional >=A0attack defeated the French. The same French and Germans who= invaded and >=A0are occupying the former Yugoslavia without UN approval. Again , I don't see the relevance . But , being in the last= book of Churchill's 6 volume memoirs of WW2 , I'll comment that= comparisons between Germany's militarization leading up to their blitzkriegs= and Iraq may have applied on a local scale , vis Kuwait , before the= `91 war , but are ridiculously out of scale now . >=A0You live in NYC. It is my guess you have more to worry about= than I. See http://cosy.com/cal01/cur0112.htm#20010911 . >=A0I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the near future.= First >=A0there will be multiple attacks on tCongress because they missed= it the >=A0last time. Then oil refineries in Texas and NJ will be blown up= with >=A0home-made rockets or rockets stolen from the US Army. While= the >=A0Homeland Security folks rush to put out the fires they will be= attacked >=A0on the way and the Empire State Building will be blown up by= demolition >=A0experts. We will all be able to watch on TV. Or it may happen= in >=A0reverse order. Then the electric lines to NYC will be destroyed= and the >=A0TV, subway, lights and elevators will be history. Libertarians= will >=A0then not even get petition signatures for money. Neither will= the >=A0Greens. And it won't matter what the registration form looks= like. >=A0Everyone will become a Republican. And you think making the world hate and fear us will DECREASE= the cadre's available to carry out these plans -- which you yourself assume= will get their weapons more with the ingenuity of Tim McVeigh , not= imported from the other side of the world ? You must believe that the Palestinians will all accept their= yokes if only Yasser Arafat is taken out . -- =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Ultimate Computing Environment : =A0http://cosy.com/K/CoSy.htm A WTC vision : http://cosy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02003/03/08 8:07:02 PM