Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] George Jr Bush makes US Rogue Nation Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:22:59 -0500 To: From: Bob Armstrong On Fri, =A07 Mar 2003 15:12:16 -0800, James Lesczynski wrote: >=A0Bob Armstrong wrote: >=A0>=A0I challenged the guy that I wanted to test his ability to= think logically >=A0>=A0to give me a definition of "Rogue State" that excludes US if= the Bush >=A0>=A0Bastards ignores the overwhelming voice of the world and the= global >=A0>=A0democracy embodied , despite its flaws , in the United= Nations . >=A0I am fully opposed to the war with Iraq, but the fact that the= UN is also against it is irrelevant, IMHO. There is certainly= nothing resembling democracy embodied in the UN. Who elected the= members? It's a conference of thugs and strongmen. We might as= well be talking about the democracy embodied in the meeting of= the heads of the major Families at the end of "The Godfather". There is a lot of truth in your comparison of the UN being like= a meeting of the heads of the Mafia Families . But on that level , it is a= democracy ( with veto power ( insisted on by Stalin and Molotov ) by each original= member ) . ( I made the observation at a Junto not long ago that the reason= the totalitarian socialists , ie communists , had to seek world domination was= that whatever the internal structure of countries might be , relations between= them are either free market capitalistic - or war . ) Note , however , that at recent meetings the foreign ministers= of the various countries have been directly representing their countries . The= FMs in many if not most of the cases , are as directly selected as Powell . US= has rejected out of hand the notion of a meeting of heads of state . My notions of optimal planetary governmental structure are= strongly influenced by notions from topology , specifically notions of coverings of= the set of all sets of a given domain . The hierarchical divisions from= township to county to state to federation reflect the historical inevitability of= such organization . ( The greatest title of a paper by the greatest professor I had= at Northwestern U. , Donald T Campbell , was " A Fish Scale Model of Collective= Omniscience" ; that's the flavor of notions without the subtlety of the= topology . ) It makes no sense in this WWW age to expect the top level node= to be empty . ( To make the point of that anachronistic notion , I am cc:ing a= friend in England , and a friend in Russia on this note . I solicit their= thoughts . ) We have to worry about all levels -- all are Mafias -- you've= met our city council now ; you've seen it there . It's crazy to think that the RoW is less terrified by terrorists= than we Americans are . But it is obvious that Iraq is already= effectively occupied and contained and is becoming more so . But what is scaring the hell out of them ( and me ) , and is= depressing commerce and markets around the world , is that the Bush Whackos are on= the verge of destroying what democracy exists on a global level -- not just= the representative council that meets here , but the massed voices of virtually the= entire world including all but a couple of Iraq's immediate neighbors . If Bush ( and Blair unless parliament can take him out in a week= ) cannot be stopped , it ushers in an period of USA hegemony that the USSR= could have only dreamed of . We will have the entire world to fear because they= , will have seen that they must . The USA will no longer be in any sense the world's policeman ,= it will ( Not in My Name ) be it's OverSeer . This is not about oil . Markets supply oil according to rules= of choice , not force . This is about the life blood of the State : War itself . The argument was always that free democracies did not start wars= of aggression because , with the individual being supreme , there was no gain= for the State . But we have all seen that the Federal Government has become= totally totalitarian in its Drug War , not giving a damn about votes within states .= Now the world is seeing to its horror that democracy has lost= its meaning here to a selected President with a monomaniacal vendetta , and= 200,000 mouths and half a trillion dollars worth of hardware to feed and exercise= at whatever cost to global stability and prosperity . -- Incidentally Jim , I think your analysis of the Albany Mall= "Peace" t-shirt arrest was spot on . -- =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Ultimate Computing Environment : =A0http://cosy.com/K/CoSy.htm A WTC vision : http://cosy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02003/03/08 1:09:37 PM