Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] proving the necessity of a free market Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:05:50 -0400 To: From: Bob Armstrong One severe problem us freedom pushers have is that whereas the market demands reality , the Statists can be ignorant dreamers= . Now that the quarterly and analyst reports of every public= company larger than some 10s of millions of dollars revenues are webcast= , the operational realities of the creation and supply of all of= the commodities which support our lives is available for the= clicking . Takes some study , but it's there . To put it briefly , the hydrogen fuel cell utopia is a= transparent fantasy . The fact that your friend published some bull about= it just shows the incredible distain for reality which is endemic in Statist media , eg , the NYT's coverage of the Global= Warming hoax . On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 10:48:17 -0000, Andrea Snell wrote: >=A0=A0Why not put together a newspaper that is all about how= government >=A0intervention into the economy destroys the environment, causes= wars, >=A0prevents the free market distribution of alternative fuel= sources, >=A0etc. ( assuming of course these things are all true) > >=A0Take, for example, the fuel cell. One of the guys I clown for= wrote >=A0an article on it ( he was an award winning political columnist= for 15 >=A0years) if I remember correctly. > >=A0=A0Public service sponsored some guy who invented a fuel cell. > >=A0=A0It ran on hydrogen - and could be maintained at basically no= cost. Please explain where the hydrogen came from . >=A0=A0They did a test where it supplied all the energy needs for a >=A0community for a 3 block radius. The test was 100% successful.= But >=A0public service realized that if the fuel cell was installed it= would >=A0mean no more natural gas revenues for them - being a= government >=A0monopoly they decided it would not be put out on the market. The answer to my question above : either the hydrogen comes from= nuclear powered electro-dissociation of H2O , or cracked from natural= gas . And if it was not incredibly more expensive than current energy= systems investors would be all over themselves to roll it out . >=A0the fuel cells are now used in submarines and space shuttles,= but are >=A0not available to the general public. Submarines : nuclear powered ; space shuttles no restraint on= cost . >=A0I may not have the facts straight - but if I do it makes a= compelling >=A0case for not allowing government intervention I am a VERY strong believer in getting my facts correct before I= open my mouth so that I neither spread fantasies , or look foolish to= those who do know the reality . I think the fact that such fantasies as the hydrogen panacea do= not cause people's heads to immediately "TILT" shows the profound= failure of the schools to teach even a basic ability to test assertions against reality . Where does the hydrogen come from ? How can someone stop their thinking before following that= question to its answers rather than just saying - oh that costs $0 . >=A0What if whoever prints the LP paper made an extra edition that= builds >=A0the case for capitalism - to distribute at OPH booths? They do and tons of others do . ( See the links on my Liberty= page . ) But reality requires disciplined thought , and that only= attracts us masochistic nerds . --=A0 =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Liberty : http://cosy.com/Liberty.htm =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02003/08/02 10:22:54 AM