Subject: Re: [LPNY DISCUSS] Fwd: What's Wrong with Juries Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:58:50 -0500 To: From: Bob Armstrong On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:49:35 -0500, Gary Snyder wrote: >=A0A fine piece by NY libertarian James Ostrowski... >=A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=A0What's Wrong with Juries > >=A0by James Ostrowski > >=A0[Posted December 1, 2003] This misses 2 MAJOR reasons for the ineffectiveness of juries . 0 ) Voir dire : Much worse that the drafting is the selection of= exceedingly NON-random samples from the voter pool .= Victimless crimes , ie , those where the State is not only the Court= and the prosecutor but the plaintiff , only survive because anyone who feels their prosecution is immoral is rejected creating a jury very much not of the accused peers . 1 ) Suppression of evidence : The jury is treated as incapable= of weighing ALL the evidence . Thus the "more equal" judge and lawyers suppress all sorts of facts and correlates which= may or may not be relevant to reaching a fair verdict . ( The Campaign Reformers extend this philosophy of= suppression of information to political advertising . ) >=A0For hundreds of years, people have tried various means to limit= state >=A0power. Not only do these means generally fail but, as Murray= Rothbard >=A0explained, most of the limitations get turned around and used= to >=A0justify bigger government: --=A0 =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Computing Environment : =A0http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ A WTC vision : http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ Liberty : http://CoSy.com/Liberty.htm Restore our Right to Relax : =A0http://ny.lp.org/cgi-bin/petition.cgi?Against_the_Smoking_Ban =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02003/12/04 11:36:55 PM