Subject: Re: [drugwar] (~OT) Why focus on the State - Part II Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:51:28 -0400 To: From: Bob Armstrong On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Libby wrote: >=A0--- Bob Armstrong =A0wrote: >=A0> >=A0>=A0I must admit to having a totally global view on >=A0>=A0human welfare . > > >=A0You hold neither the American nor the foreign workers' >=A0welfare in very high esteem I hold individual Choice in the highest esteem . > if you condone taking the >=A0job from the former for demanding humane conditions >=A0and giving it the latter under the same or worse >=A0conditions that caused the regulations to be enacted >=A0in the first place. Regs don't occur in a vaccum. >=A0While I grant some may be ridiculous, most respond to >=A0a defect in the system that needed correcting for the >=A0welfare of the worker over the profit margin of the >=A0owner. Often regs come in after the fact when no-one recognized the dangers before hand . And before the regs ( and the bureaucracies to enforce them get , the people effected have already taken steps to correct the problem . The recent failure of ALL the regulatory mechanisms , both governmental and private analytical , to actually examine and evaluate what was going on at , eg , Enron is an example . Let me repeat , the costs come out of the revenues squeezing all other line items . >=A0>=A0I also trust people locally to make there own >=A0>=A0decisions about their own environment . It is the >=A0>=A0Marxist sort of "I'm speaking for the proletariat" >=A0>=A0arrogance to assert that these people don't value >=A0>=A0cleanliness and safety and a nice environment as >=A0>=A0much as we 10000 miles away do for them . >=A0------ > >=A0The local people do not make the regulations, the >=A0bureaucrats do. Oh , you mean Their Government is out of Control . > The local people are starving and will >=A0take any job under any condition to provide sustenance >=A0for their families. They are desparate and don't have >=A0a choice. It's the only one. Where are you talking about ? People are starving as far as I know only in places that have no business . And by your statement you prefer to let those starving people starve anyway . You'll stop them from grabbing even the first rung of hope to a better existence . >=A0Where you sleeping through the posts on Monsanto in >=A0Columbia? Are you trying to tell me that the people >=A0who live there ASKED to be bombed with herbicides? Were You sleeping thru the post that pointed out that it is the DRUG WARRIORS in the US and Colombian GOVERNMENTS who bought and flew and sprayed that herbicide on their populations ! >=A0Sorry Bob, it's the same story. The foreign >=A0governments are legislating in favor of the >=A0corporations over the people's welfare. B@#$ F^&* S)(* !! IT IS THE GOVERNMENTS THEMSELVES WHO PROFIT ! To them their outlays to the Corps on their vendor lists are expense items . The Profit Margin is what the Governments themselves retain and and build their palaces with and buy their Mercedes with . You just hate facing the fact that it is the STATE which controls the FORCE . Structurally that is their defining characteristic . Remember those who are using Force to proscecute their Drug War feel that they are doing God's work just as much as any economic socialist think they are when they criminalize some voluntary business transaction between consenting adults . >=A0--------- .... .... > >=A0Yikes, I'm not done with this yet, but that's it for >=A0now. Part III to follow. Ditto . We are both bringing decades of observing the world thru different filters to this battle of titans . But no-one's paying to see the show and I gotta go , make some mo' . >=A0peace through understanding, Peace thru Freedom , even if we can't reach understanding . --=A0 =A0Bob Armstrong -- http://CoSy.com -- 212-285-1864 Return our Right to Relax : =A0http://ny.lp.org/cgi-bin/petition.cgi?Against_the_Smoking_Ban Computing Environment : =A0http://CoSy/CoSy/ A WTC vision : http://CoSy.com/CoSy/ConicAllConnect/ Liberty : http://CoSy.com/Liberty.htm =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02003/09/28 12:00:41 PM