Starr : Views of some of the most experienced prosecutors in country . AL : meeting w DepAtnyGen EricHolder . did not reveal previous contacts w  Jones people . KS : had inchoate ( just begun , pending ) evidence of criminality . AL : Law firm , RichardPorter , considered represent Jones . KS : contacted by BobFisk to write amicus brief on constitutional immunity .  GilDavis , NPR debates on constitutional issue only . 6 conversations : I  don`t # . Never rose to anything beyond .  Independent Women`s Forum : Doe Prez enjoy Immunity ? all public domain  discussions . Nothing to do w Identity of Pres , just whether everyone  under law . Private Affadavit released Chic Trib . AL : did nothing to stop Tripp having meetings w Jones team . KS : didn`t know . We almost immediately started working at cross purposes w  Jones interests .  Newsweek reporter on story mentioned  Tripp had been Traveloffice wittness - said being asked to purjure  .   Tripp stopped communicating w newsweek leak .   we had no interest in doing anything other than job .  Went to Judge Wright to stop Tripp working w Jones .  Waited for Mother to arrive . When Mother arrived expressed appreciation   we being accused of conditions which would overbear the will .   RitzCarlton pleasant , called her Atny on another matter .   She was in midst of crime of ( trying to get Tripp join her purjury ) ,   had consensual recording w FBI . Evidence was that Mother may have been   involved .  Ginsberg implyed being held incommunicato . Not .  Alegations utter unmeritorious . Mother willing to finace operation for  Tripp to leave juristiction . All has been litigated & resolved in their   favor .  Did not encourage her to reach out to lawyer who had assisted her in   preperation of purjurous affidavit . AL : Constitution requires . KS : Wrong on facts . Had no criminal lawyer . Already upheld by court .  She did in fact call her civil lawyer Carter & contacted Legal Aid . AL : JudgeWeberWright : Lewinsky not relevant KS : not fair characterization of WW`s ruling . AL : ML  tacked on  stmnt : no one asked her to lie . KS : Also note stated that in referral . But totality shows coverup . AL : referral w attitude . w proper juristiction - undermine credibilty KS : you have gone into characterizations rather than facts which are your  task to judge . She did not even make statement to officers that first day .|15:12| Sensenbrenner : AL completely avoided discussing charges at all . Is there any diff wi law dealing w Sex. KS : Purjury is extremely serious business . Why go thru oath .  Does not matter if harrasment , bankruptcy , or criminal .  Purjury would always have been considered impeachable . JS : everybody lies about sex . Every Harassment & domestic cases abt sex . KS : Yes purjury just as important in such cases .    : Sought order to Judge Wright for stay of discovery by Jones . No effect    on materiality . Measured at time of statement , not after .|15:19| JohnConyers : repond to written ?s . KS : sure . | Chr : limit Week . JC : just seeking full record . 5 min rule unworkable . JS : 5 min rule worked for decades . HH back - have Qs returned when we hear  from Prez . |15:26| Finally asking ? . Numerous clients aligned against Prez in Law firm  will give list :  Brown&Williamson  GM , BellAtlantic etd  | KS : yes . JC : Leaks : StevenBrill :  KS : we have responded in detail w article KS :  not want to make rules for Congress . will discuss 6e if want.  . Travel & File gate not in original ref . JC : SusanMcDougal . Bush pardoned 6 Iran Contra . KS : Our view was prez did not help us get to bottom of crime .|15:32| HH : both side get 5 min . been liberal . Want Hassocks not chairs . BillMcCullum(rR-FL) : Never represented any Jones people . KS : no . BMC : laid out compelling litany . Bribery statute : couldn`t job offer be  construed as bribery ? KS : Fair issue but have not been weighed . not prepared to opine . BMC : Elements of purjury present . KS : Materiality totally bogus issue . BarneyFrank : JudgeJohnson defined 24 instances of 6e violations . Did any  one give out info on list . KS : did put out press release . BF : You  sealed . KS : Sealed by Chief Judge . Join to have Judge Johnson to open  . w consider . BF : when determined Livingston ( months ago ) & Travel office ( continuing )  Why withheld File exhonoration . KS : tried to be responsive - process  question . side stuf not relevant to 595c duty .|15:46| GeorgeKekas(rR-PA) exhonerated in VinceFoster case months ago . GK : JC gave great list of clients .  Misuse of executive privilege .  Mind settled a little .  Deep emotional response to purjury . KS : Issues w respect to false statements very serious .  Defends Executive privilage & therefore misuse for personal purposes .|15:52| BREAK Rep counsel Schipper not questioning .|16:9| We are going to finish this evening . may send out for pizza .|16:11| CharlesSchumer(rD-NY) after 5 years , new docs . w have new Kathleen Willy matter . Too many intent on winning war . Losing hearts & minds Purjury , obstruction , abuse of power ,   ! Skum !  3 short Qs : Aug20 : Lewinsky set piece : no one asked me Job search started 18 mo ago .   weighty KS : Q1 : we did supply the information - the evidence you are using .  Did not find consistent  Great increase in Jordon`s actions to get job right after 971205 .  Timing of Curry being called - we understand that he wanted her not to tell  the truth .  CS : not suborning .|~16:20| HowardCoble(rR-NC) Been subject to Dem Gunslingers . Most trashing . KS : Incorrect  Curry was a potential wittness . Fed law is clear :  is about integrety of judicial process . Powers & influence of president to  delay .|16:25| HowardBerman(rD-CA) KS has answered all but 1 point on 595c . skip .|16:26| LamarSmith(rR-TX) Pres claimed privilage to keep others from testifying on criminal matter which is intended to assure national security . while saying taking too long . KS : NancyHearnrich - not policy fn , just doorkeeper . While saying not him  self pushing privilage . LS : Colonel Jowarsky : Right & Power : not ignore the law`s command .  Passage matching Clinton`s actions but w Congress impeachable .|16:33| RickBoucher(rD-VA) Constitutional foundation : 1) Prez vulnerable after leaves office ?          KS : Y 2) Statute of limitation 5y not expired in 2001 ? KS : Y 3) Rule of law would be served ?                  KS : strengh in no  problem w opining in any way . before w ever seek indictment we assess  facts , is it more likely than not that jury would convict .|16:39| EltonGallegly(rR(CA) Numerous wittnesses contradicted Pres . Credable KS : ML does not want to hurt Prez but had DB EG : Contradicting idea pres hide evidence . KS : Events would be remembered 1 month later - Rockettes blanket .|16:44| JerroldNadler(rD-NY)  Skum for this district  Carter was criminal counsel too . violated law by contact ML directly . 2) Unethical to prevent from calling Carter - to prevent or ammending  affidavit - KS : Dissagree strongly . It has been litigated : we did not violate law .  Judge | 11 hrs later | you stated a number of things and they are   virutually all incorrect . DoJ Policy : consulted w DoJ prior to - not our   job to reinvent process wheel . Choice : involved in fellanieys - placed   call to carter that evening - MrCarter was unwitting wittness , but did   not know at that time .  No deprevation of right to counsel .|16:53| CharlesCanady(rR-FL) : If you don`t have an argument attack other  side . Seeing desparate attempt to get away from facts .  Attack is not  right - not consistant w rule of law . Meritless , but don`t go to  reliablity of evidence in any case .  Where is the concern for due process in whole course of conduct - stunnning  lack of respect for due process . Need to stay on track . Observation .|16:58| BobbyScott(rD-VA) Prosecutor : not evidence , we worried abt  prosecutorial misconduct . Fairness  See CoSy notes on  district hall meeting he had some time ago : was great speach by  grandmother he should listen to . Rule of law constrains us from  impeachment . Seems to have problem of several dem blacks , can`t  understand that he is the final determiner of what is impeachable . He has  1 of | 19 + 17 |>| 36 | is it ? votes which will be the operational  definition for our generation . |17:7| HH :|17:9| BobInglis(rR-SC) : Why would anyone take you job ? Thanks for eloquent statement of rule of law . Notion Purjury is not Impeachable .  We know who Prez is , Q is  who are We .  Were those material facts providing all elements of purjury in GrandJury   testamony KS : think reasonable person may reasonably could come to that determination BI : Purjury impeachable ? KS : Yes . historically , common law . common  Sense . Any judge would say : not in my court . that is way judges look at  world . JN : - in possesion of committee under seal -|17:17| MelWatt(D-NC) Enjoyed Starr speech . Biography : Point Galagi raised : Would crediblity of ML & BCurry , etc be rel ? KS : Y MW : Revlon employee : ML had lunch w Hillary Clinton who offered help  finding appartment in NewYork . 2nd Occasion : KathrenProfit : ML  exagajurated her relationship w someone . Why didn`t we get this info ? KS : I believe you do have the info . ML made it clear she knew how to lie  MW : Now impeaching own witness . How picking & choosing ? KS : 1 word : coroberation - Accuracy of her memory . BobGoodlatte(rR-VA) Not focusing on offenses  MW was ( got  clobbered )  JudgeClaybourn claimed prosecutor burgled his home ,  AlGore said irrelevent . Claybourn impeach for signing a false tax return (  purjury ) . KS : effort to get job at UN early on ( from Richardson ) Wanted private  sector . Significant uptick in activity after 1205 . Went to Perelman chm  of Revlon  A Corp clearly run by equally questionable morals   . When got job , VJ c> BC ' mission accomplished ' . ZoeLofgren(rD-CA) Ask how these facts , if true , could harm country .  Irrationality . Blah Blah Yadda Yadda . Untruth . Scalia Morison v Olson ?  Was on talk show ' Good Morning America ' .  When first hear of existance of any tape recording . Nov 97 ? KS : will   search recollection . Willing to answer under penalty of purjury ? will   have to look it up . # of Qs|17:42| SteveBuyer(rR-IN) some of us have been prosecutors under fire but  neve anything close to what going on here . Indiana takes pride in our  heritage . Court open to powerless , need & poor . Had most powerful man on  earth in civil rights case . Boggle mind . Does this not deny the powerless  a fair trial - Deception in case where could lose money from own pocket . KS : Purjury of same dimension as bribary . Object of process that truth  will come out .|17:48| SheilaJacksonLee(rD-TX) Not here to undermine you : Important anouncement Prez cleared on some .  Historical background . Everyone has 5th ammendment right . KS : Y Shocked that not included in ...  . Mem of VA Bar ? KS : Y .  VA code of ethics : how can move from prosecutor to wittness to judge . KS : Believe have complied & w EdBryant(rR-TN) : Broder on 400 Historians : look rediculous . Chilling  DickMorris : choice : Poll to determine whether would tell truth .   People willing to accept adultery but not purjury . Prez : Then we will    have to win .  Exec Privilage for Public , but then claim private . KS : agree odd to contend personal , then claim privilge for fact wittnesses|18:0||18:14| HH : Mem Qs , din , Kendell .|18:15| MaxineWaters(rD-CA) Ask Zoe`s release office from journalists  confidentiality . KS : litigation going on under seal at this time . MW : One of harshest cridicts tobbaco cos why Prez fighting . KS : Apeal on class action  `95 `96 - , one `94  apeals - constitutional  & civil proceedure . got ethics advice to places . MW : Took Oath - did not disclose info to AtnyGen . used ' ~ recall ' Yadda  did not brief for Ind Women Forum . Respectfully disagree w  characterization . | KS : was public domain . should have thought . MW : abuse of power : MsSteele : bank records , adoption of child . KS : We have asked thru FBI | MW : feels abused . KS : understand .  16 yr old boy : AK phase of investigation - agent did go to school .  No if happened , should not have gone to school . 120 people in LittleRock SteveChabot(rR-OH) Everybody elses fault . Put Police on trial . How defend  self . KS : is challenge . my philosophy : follow rules - sought ethics advice .  But difficult being LoneRanger . But try to be prepared for what would be  asked in situation like this . SC : BC : More rather than Less , Sooner Rather than Later KS : Uncooperative . but ok in lots of document production .  Have prevailed in 17 of 17 appeals to court MartyMeehan(rD-MA) Everything under him - not crossexamined .  Brown&Williamson had stake in failure of Clinton . Donated 1.7K$ to Firm`s  PAC which donated to 4 Repub Prez .  Sam Dash questions KS : crediblity should be assessed by evidence . Elaboratly documented  product of professional . Sam was honest in saying should not be practicing  privately at all . 17 of 18 IC  have continued private . BobBarr(rR-GA) getting more absurd - ML entrapped BC  No such thing as being trapped into purjury  | KS : Right .  Let`s assume horror of horror , you use tobbaco prods . KS : JudgeStory(?) facts , facts , facts , give me facts . BB : FBI File case : MacMcClarty  | KS : was pretty thoro . BB : heard lot . ( Handout out on bribery ) WebHubbel , ML Job getting . KS : have no studied if could it fall under Bribery .|18:44| WilliamDelahunt(rD-MA) Career Prosecutors  need cross examination . KS : Absolutely . WD : Nixon pass on Tax lie . Brill ltr : false that ever asked ML to wire  self . KS : We explained at Ritz Carlton at high level of generality , not in a  person specific way as cooperating witness .|18:51| BillJenkins(rR-TN) On grand jury testimony : bald stmnt : Prez lied . KS : reasonable juror could conclude after examining evidence . RobertWexler(rD-FL) Jury rendered verdict Nov 3 loud and clear - Witch hunt  . Hypocrasy .  Skum  Didn`t bribe any one .  committee concern for rule of law , but not LindaTripp .  Finally 4 Qs . Jan 16 threat w 27 yrs if not comply .  4) JulieHyatSteele ? KS : Would want written questions , would be happy to follow up .  3 Qs on Jan 16 - conducted ourselves professional  4th , if there are issues w respect to specific witness . AsaHutchenson(rR-AK) hasn`t above been adjuticated ? KS : partially . AH : Indict while in office ?          KS : would need to study . AH : Pattern of conduct , w WebHubbel & Riady & JohnHuang . Huang relevent ? KS : need more sober explication . AH : Urge get over ASAP .|19:10| SteveRothman(rD-NJ) Rule of Law . In NYT CharlesBackaly : we did not  judge . Did not show ambiguity of evidence . ML pat statement . Was secret  service that exerted privalege . Have no personal evidence .  Schmuk  . Live in world of Law . KS : Report elaborately corroborated . Most facts not in dispute . All the  info abt why wasn`t this there , all come from this referral . EdPease(rR-IN) Mr Bennett said Prez embraced SecretSvc assertion . KS : not crafted to simply protect president . prevented us getting timely  evidence . EP : Factual basis for assertion of Prez lie to GrandJury . KS : See opening stmnt . Pres is contradicted by undisputed evidence . EP : Credibility of ML . Why beleive some . KS : Overwhelming Corroboration . [ detail ] FL Sugar grower , movement logs TomBarrett(rD-WI) ambivalence abt your office & LindaTripp KS : secrecy agreement w ML , & no secrecy provision in Tripp agreement .  This was a different type of immunity . TB :  LT wired sent to meet ML at RitzC . TB : LT acted as agent for KS during day & consulted w Jones people @ night KS : Premises I respectfully but firmly disagree . Supreme Ct agreed 9-0 .  had been on news programs . ChrisCannon(rR-UT) Prodefamation league - whiffed . pit bulls of  administration . Debate changed from you to Prez hacks . ' Bogus ' KS : can`t remember where used that strong term . Materiality is jury issue CC : Ruff stmt invocation of exec priv .  Was Prez lying on Africa trip . KS : both can`t be true . KS : lavish unfounded use of invocation and withdrawal of Exec Privilege JamesRogen(rR-CA) Initial interview w  ML . Dems concern real . KS : not one piece of evidence in referral affected by RitzCarlton - she did  not cooperate on that day . JR : What are ML`s legal liablity KS : Purjury alone up to 5 years . fines , loss of voting in CA . JR : Real threat to her from .  ' I don`t recall ' KS : can be purjury . Look at circumstances . Common human experience . HowardPerman(rD-CA) 23 mems sign off on referral ?        KS : no KS : did not ask Grand Jury for conclusion . Are ours . LindseyGraham(rR-SC) Watergate or PaytonPlace ( Melrose Pl ) . Web Hubbel  gets 500k$ - last time I check when going to jail marketablity goes down .  K.Willy . 5th .  People coming up w files .  As much as I KS : It`s the 7 months , stupid . LG : Every purjury has -  we may never get Public Outrage . Lied after being  begged lied again . MaryBono(rR-CA) Has been exteremly enlighting day . Nice to see human .  Lawyers attacking other lawyers for what Lawyers do . Nov 3 did not change  truth . Are fair competent guy JanetReno picked .  Bone to pick . KS : hold no animosity . Rather be at Pepperdine . Thought could pass the  mantle on - the tradition of the Justice department . Men & Women on detail  from DoJ calumnued . Thought offices would be be able to carry on .  Importuned by Own staff . Let us down . Sr Prosecutor in LR AK office :   you are making a profound mistake , you cannot leave .  My duty is to do my duty . To JanetReno :As collegues , what do we do ?|19:54| %2 hr Din  c< woman : Gingrich lied & just slapped on wrist .  You know  what Gingrich was guilty of taking a tax deduction for expenses of teaching  an American History class which he considered non-partisan . c< s from several people either not listening or not hearing . |20:33| DavidKendall Clinton Personal Attorney  45M$  28 attorneys 78 FBI .  Nothing in overkill of investigation warrents impeachment .  Press Release : abt ~ talked to ML yet . Need eye to eye . KS : has not met ML or Mother MarciaLewis . , BettyCurry , VernonJordan .  Was not present at any Grand Jury proceeding other than Clinton`s .  One relys on professionalism of FBI coleagues etc .  Decision of Referral is product of professional prosecutor from DoJ from  around country . DK : exonerated Prez on Travel office . KS : found not link to HIM . more pending . DK : concluded before Nov 1 . KS : no decisions had been made . Predictive judgement that those 2 matters  will impinge on this proceeding . DK : Steele adoption . KS : Interviewers have a professional descretion . There is a large amount  of false info being bantied about . Will find out if relevant .  Some of her claims utterly without factual foundation .  If problem with treatment of witness , that`s what court is about . DK : Bakaly On 10 show & NightLine tonight KS : ArchabaldCox : Public Information Function . Must counter false info . DK : Secrecy requirement              KS : Yes absolute . DK : you wrote : it is a firing offense . anyone fired . KS : No , because I don`t think any of our people have leaked . DK : PressRelease : extraordinary num of litigation . KS : Yes & we prevailed in court of appeals unanamously agreed overturning  a process you had urged . Further litigation ongoing . I am confident we  have abided by our obligations .  Agree w ChiefJudgeJohnson . Fairness requires all it takes is letter from  DK : . Rostenkoswky , Mayor Berry .  24 submissions of prima facia evidence of leak . All 24 -  Is litigation under seal . puts directly . KS : Accusation totally unwarrented . DK : Jan 21 Press Release : can`t comment on issues .  KS : was overbroad . KS : Duty of Proscutor to battle misinformation & that is policy of DoJ .  felt duty bound to combat Ritz Carlton spins . HH : time up would you like some time to get into facts . DK : another 30 . speaking on background . conversations w SamDash . KS : look @ info we had in our office vs what you had - the dress , the DNA  never entered public domain when you did not know . DK : Why speak off record . KS : DoJ - eg story about FBI improperly . Issues of Press Policy :  Just not right to be crossexamined about sealed litigation . Kendall starting to evoke laughter .  KS : Unfair : EG DNA NOT leaked . Kendall interviews witnesses - Joint  defendant arangement real problem . DK : ' your agent held '  Jan 16 . KS : that is unfair to investigators . DK : asked to wear wire . KS : Not True .  Has been litigated . KS : Ginsberg was wrong and it is a calumny to repeat it now . & He was  fast and loose with his fact . If going to use Time Articles we are not  dealing at as lofty a level as I expected tonight . DK : reviewed RitzCarlton w Emik(? those present ) . @ 11:37 pm Miss  Lewinsky ' what if partially cooperate ' not tape . AtnyGnl 'asked you' KS : we confired w her . VJ link . collaborated w her in determining  jurisiction . DK : when did 1st learn of any tape from any young woman ? KS : been asked 1st heard of ML , Jan 98 . Don`t know what mystery you may  be talking abt .  Jan 8 , c< LindaTripp Jan12 . DK : Richard Porter role . KS : Don`t know what his role may have been . DK : Kept Law practice . Conflict of Interest w private practice .  LucianGoldberg , agent : why ML nervous . called friend . DK : checked connections of all members of Law Firm ? KS : No . But have partner dedicated to these issues . DK : WashPost article abt probing Pres personal life . KS : Whether story reflects facts is another matter .  We did question our investigators in LittleRock . DK : GAO .5M$ private investigators . KS : hired retired FBI .|21:39| MW : when can resolve conflicting evidence . HH : send him a letter , sure he will clarify . MW : Starr may have Purjured .  HH : Pursue later . DavidSchippers Rep Counsel : Hair trigger  leak  investigation . KS : yes DS : did  DK send 27 letters . KS : burden on defense lawyer light . TimRussert made something sound like  came from prosecutor . corrected : was from congress . DS :  DK asserted massive leaks . KS : w/i my understanding of 6e , NO . DS : Relied on integrety of agents .    KS : Yes . DS : Notice of 2 inches on table this morning . Multitab book after dinner. KS : Did not see til after dinner . DS : did not hear 1 Q abt facts of case .  4 boxes day before yesterday .  in response to Mr Conyers . KS : has had flury of requests  . KS : now 10 months DS : Have received any exculpitory evidence from Prez . KS : None . We are ready to receive . We asked DK  Please send any  exculpatory evidence . He replied nothing to exculpate . DS : DK 63 tabs  : Not 1 word of evidence . other 2 incher equally devoid  You under  AttnyGen . KS : not day to day .  Yes , can be removed for cause .  She has never had suggestion that any reason to remove .  Anything not known before extentension was known short DS : Looks to me like  ML  treated very nice .  Log of every minute . DS : Carter assigned by VJ . Y  .    3 day frenzy to find ML   . KS : I think there was concern . KS : She was not questioned at all on 16 . Was over it by  Aug 6 w GrandJury DS : No one asked me to lie & I was never offered job  . But also  ' no one told me to tell truth ' .           KS : Y DS : give affidavit agreed to w BC , ML had to lie .          KS : Y DS : Favors to Prez for GrandJury : had lawyers , read statement . KS : After 6 requests , supoened . Withdrew supoena as requested by Kendle DS : No cross examinations in GrandJurys .    KS : Right . DS : sole power to try in Senate . KS : Constitution puts trial in senate . House can do what sees fit . DS : Any one laff at Grand Jury . KS : Yes . I understand some Grand Jurors laughed . DS : Prez given time . KS : We stayed w/i Kendall`s  4 hr limit DS : Prez told Mr Bloomenthal ML made advances on him & had threatend him . KS : Yes DS : Isn`t it more the Prez who betrayed ML . KS : No my place to characterize . DS : KS : This is inimical to Judicial . DS : When Web Hubbel  got evlon  : VernonJordan : Mission accomplished .  Curry stuff under bed : Mission accomplished .  ML cooroberated . DS KS : some of Billing records found in VinceFoster Attic . KS : When VJ c> RonPerelman , got job .  Mission Accomplished . DS :  6 honorary degrees . Solicitor General , Unblemished .  For last year you have been slimed . Pillaried and excoriated . KS : I & my colleagues : JohnMarshell Award Winners - career Public  Corruption investigators could not fathom some of the things we have been  accused of .            Song : Take this job & --- .  We have co-labored  - proud of - We are Big big boys & I mean that in a  gender neutral way . DS : 40yr attny .  KS : 25 DS : Proud to be in room w you . Standing ovation from Majority in room .|22:25| SJL : expect no referrals on  Filegate , Travelgate . US vs Birdman . KS : FBI & Travel Office . HH : Thank you for wonderful day . Continued applause . HH : issue supoenas for BobBennett , DanialGecker ( Willy`s Lawyer ) ,  NathanLandau . Dems grandstanding about supoenas . Yadda Yadda

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